Joel Gutierrez #15802
FORMSTACKOver 72hForm receivedSales date
Unknown — not on Formstack
Sales date is not on the cancellation form
Cancel date
Aug 4, 2025
Formstack submitted (America/New_York)
Reason for cancel
Other
complex steel buildings isnt an approved fabricator and they aren't able to complete the project bc of lack of certs. my interpretation of "credit on file" is that the refund will go to my credit card on file.
Request: Request: Credit On File
Permit proof
What we decided
HISTORY · never an input to decide()Credit on file· 90_day_cancellation_policy
Sent credit-on-file letter. Sent mail to joelsjb@yahoo.com: Good afternoon, Due to the age of your order it is outside of our 90 day cancellation policy so we will not be able to offer a refund of the deposit. We can proceed with the cancellation and offer a
2025-08-14T21:08:00Z · from cancellations@bigbuildingsdirect.com
Jacob / staff sent historically. Display only — not the policy proposal and not fed into decide().
Actual sent email (already sent historically)
From: cancellations@bigbuildingsdirect.comTo: joelsjb@yahoo.com
Subject: Cancellation request
Good afternoon, Due to the age of your order it is outside of our 90 day cancellation policy so we will not be able to offer a refund of the deposit. We can proceed with the cancellation and offer a
Snippet only — full body not yet loaded for this thread.
What the app recommends
Policy engine decide()Credit on file
80% mediumAfter 72h with no qualifying permit denial → credit on file
Outside the 72-hour cancel-for-any-reason window and no qualifying unfixable permit denial. Offer credit on file toward a future building of the same or higher value (historically valid 2 years). Ask them to confirm before converting. Do not describe this as a 90-day cancellation policy.
From order-form rules + opened permit file. Independent of Jacob's sent mail.
Decision matches (credit), but Jacob’s sent reason/template used “90 day cancellation policy” as a blanket timeout. 90 days is only the permit-denial window. Policy proposal template is the outside-policy credit letter.
Manufacturer
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Sales rep —
Order total
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Deposit
—
Manufacturer, deposit, order total, and signed order form stay empty until a live read-only order-app pull. Unknown money shows —.
Gmail related to #15802
READ ONLY · never sent from this labcancellations@ threads matched by order number, then customer email. One cancellation case per order.
- Inbound
Re: Cancellation request
Sep 9, 2025, 9:14 PM · joelsjb@yahoo.com · 6 messages
The company you delegated it to was not approved for riverside even at the time of purchase. That's where my issue lies and where I would ask you and your team
- StaffAug 14, 2025, 5:08 PM · cancellations@bigbuildingsdirect.com
Good afternoon, Due to the age of your order it is outside of our 90 day cancellation policy so we will not be able to o
- StaffAug 14, 2025, 5:08 PM · cancellations@bigbuildingsdirect.com
Good afternoon, Due to the age of your order it is outside of our 90 day cancellation policy so we will not be able to o
- InboundSep 5, 2025, 5:11 PM · joelsjb@yahoo.com
why is it that you cannot make an exception considering you sold my business to a company that couldnt fulfill the order
- Jacob / staff sent
Cancellation Form
Aug 4, 2025, 11:37 PM · noreply@formstack.com · 5 messages
Formstack Submission For: Cancellation Form Submitted at 08/04/25 11:37 PM Cancellation Policy: The Cancellation Policy is made and entered into effective as th
- StaffAug 4, 2025, 11:24 PM · noreply@formstack.com
Formstack Submission For: Cancellation Form Submitted at 08/04/25 11:24 PM Cancellation Policy: The Cancellation Policy
- StaffAug 4, 2025, 11:24 PM · noreply@formstack.com
Formstack Submission For: Cancellation Form Submitted at 08/04/25 11:24 PM Cancellation Policy: The Cancellation Policy
- StaffAug 4, 2025, 11:24 PM · noreply@formstack.com
Formstack Submission For: Cancellation Form Submitted at 08/04/25 11:24 PM Cancellation Policy: The Cancellation Policy
Formstack form
Original payloadEvery field from the Cancellation Form. Policy proposal still uses order-form rules plus an opened file — Jacob's sent email is comparison only.
- Building order number
- 15802
- Name
- joel gutierrez
- Phone
- 5628330556
- joelsjb@yahoo.com
- Reason (dropdown)
- Other
- Reason (free text)
- complex steel buildings isnt an approved fabricator and they aren't able to complete the project bc of lack of certs. my interpretation of "credit on file" is that the refund will go to my credit card on file.
- Request (refund vs credit)
- Request: Credit On File
- Credit checkbox
- I understand
- Submitted time
- 08/04/25 11:37 PM · form Aug 04, 2025 08:33 PM
- Doc names
- 120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdf, uc, 120399912_uc.bin
- Local files
- None on disk
Attachments
0 local · 1 Drive link-only · order #15802Local files are served from data/formstack-docs/15802/ in TEST MODE. A signature is not a denial letter. Filenames never set government-signed.
Drive links (no local file)
- 120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdfTEST MODE · link-only
Facts
Imported from Formstack Cancellation Form (thread 1987841f8c77a8db). Submitted 08/04/25 11:37 PM ET. Request: Request: Credit On File. Credit checkbox: I understand. Docs mentioned: 120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdf, uc, 120399912_uc.bin. Signing date of the original order is unknown — lab does not auto-refund on 72h. TEST MODE, email NOT SENT.
Permit notes: Permit/supporting docs attached on Formstack (filenames only — not opened): 120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdf, uc, 120399912_uc.bin. A filename is not a denial. complex steel buildings isnt an approved fabricator and they aren't able to complete the project bc of lack of certs. my interpretation of "credit on file" is that the refund will go to my credit card on file.
- Signed contract
- Yes
- Signed at
- Unknown (need dates)
- Cancel requested
- 2025-08-04T23:37:00-04:00
- Hours since signing
- n/a
- Days since signing
- n/a
- Habitable
- No
- Wants refund
- Yes
- Permit denial alleged
- No
- Permit file uploaded
- Yes (120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdf, uc, 120399912_uc.bin)
- File opened in lab
- No
- Government-signed denial
- No
- Unfixable
- No
- Engineered plans required
- No
- Engineered plans purchased
- No
- Variance required
- No
- Setbacks can be met
- Unknown
- Punch list
- No
- Vendor fail
- No
- Process error
- No
- Legal / BBB / AG / chargeback
- No
- Missing reason
- No
- Credit offered / completed
- no / no
- Refused credit checkbox
- No
Permit doc review
TEST MODE. Open the actual uploaded file. A filename is not a denial. Saving writes data/store.json only — never email, never live cancel-app. Bulk file-open reviews from data/permit-doc-reviews.json hydrate here when that file exists; they never set government-signed from a filename.
Filenames
120399912_emailcover_sheet.pdf
No local file — use the Attachments Drive link (TEST MODE)
uc
No local file — use the Attachments Drive link (TEST MODE)
120399912_uc.bin
No local file — use the Attachments Drive link (TEST MODE)
Status: Not opened
Reviewer: Brandyn Wnukowski
Manager check
One-click Agree is the future “manager checks the bot’s work” action. These buttons only write local test-decision records. They do not send email and they do not move money.
Override (with note)
Draft customer email
NOT SENTSubject: Cancellation request — credit on file
Hello Joel Gutierrez, We have completed reviewing your cancellation request. This request falls outside our cancellation policy: the 72-hour cancel-for-any-reason window has passed, and we do not have a government-signed unfixable permit denial within 90 days of signing. If you wish to proceed with the cancellation, the deposit will convert to a credit on file toward a future building of the same or higher value. The credit is stored under your contact information and is historically valid for two years. Please tell us how you would like to proceed. Big Buildings Direct Cancellation Department Email Only: cancellations@bigbuildingsdirect.com 1515 N Marion St Tampa, FL 33602